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Deace Show Podcast 08-26-11

Presidential candidate Ron Paul says the wars we’re fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan violate Christian theory for Just Warfare. Solider Nik joins us, back from his second Afghanistan deployment and tells us what he thinks…and what challenges Christian soldiers face on the battlegrounds.

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  • Daizybtrfly

    Seriously Ron Paul?  Seriously?  What country is he living in?

    • http://police-state-watch.blogspot.com/ JTWilliams

      seriously? Jeb Bush 2012!

      • Hanker4liberty

        So, Bush I invades Iraq after we told Saddam that Kuwait was cross drilling into Iraq. April Glaspie (Ambassador to Iraq) also says we will not “interfere” with whatever happens next. The rest is history. 11 years later, Bush II invades Iraq, this time because of “WMD’s” (None found). So, in 2014 when Jeb Bush is POTUS, you think invasion #3 will happen? Are we that insane?

        • http://police-state-watch.blogspot.com/ JTWilliams

          I hope not, my friend. Of course, I don’t support Jeb Bush, but i think daizybtrfly up there just might…

  • hatefalseweight

    You didn’t get to the fact , as Ron Paul always points out, that the fact that these wars are all done on the protection racket / credit card / petro dollar scam, by which we’re stealing $$$ from every person on the face of the earth that has any contact with the dollar in their economy, and they can’t be paid for.  

    Proper declaration of war also entails proper funding and shared sacrifice among the people.   Would you take your kid out of Christian school and give the $5,000 to go kill Afghan children gathering firewood?  To protect opium growing in Marja so the deep government can cash in $400 billion a year ?  To spend $20 billion a year just heating and cooling tents for soldiers?  Ron Paul wins the argument by financial default. 

    This whole thing is a scam.  You didn’t address the fact that this invasion was all planned and discussed before 9/11, as was the invasion of Iraq (see Paul O’Neill, Richard Clarke etc.)  Never mind the fake WMD, Al-qaeda in Iraq, etc.  These nations are all being mopped up and kept on or roped into the global debt enslavement / fiat money system.  Libya is perhaps the most obvious and egregious example yet of a completely non-agressive nation , building its resources and trying to stay independent from this diabolical NWO system being run by revived Roman / Anglo-American luciferians.

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  • http://police-state-watch.blogspot.com/ JTWilliams

    Come on, noone can actually try to argue that the war in Iraq, or in Libya now, are just wars, by christian standards. We have become the great bullies! God bless the soldiers, but the innocents killed in our “kinetic actions” don’t much care if the bomb that wiped out their family was ostensibly for humanitarian purposes. America needs to look at itself in the mirror. We Americans think it is our business to dictate what government is suitable in each country. And as a result, we have a super-congress, which will disempower the people’s representatives. We have a President who gets war authority from a world body. We’re in trouble here. Our government recognizes no limits to the scope of its authority, and we will all suffer as a result our ignorance.

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  • Jrounceville

    Just cause: debatable, in the very least we’re highly inconsistent in when we choose to recognize that just cause exists.

    Comparative justice: epic fail

    Just authority: epic fail (Congress declares war, not POTUS)

    Correct intent: epic fail

    Probability of success: debatable (when are we done?)

    Last resort: epic fail

    Proportionality: epic fail

    I’d say Ron’s onto something.

    • “Michael Mann”

      Let me commend all who are actually making an analysis under just war parameters. Unfortunately no one is listening. These folks are in favor of the war because America is doing it and you know we all support the troops and Islam is false and we shouldn’t be like those hippies in the 60′s and we pray for the war in church and…

      They will dismiss this as some high falutin’ esoteric reasoning of people that just don’t get along with others. I really see a herd mentality among Iowa evangelicals and distrust of anyone who isn’t running with the herd. Their talk of “worldview” gives an appearance of thoughtfulness, but they really have no response when their political convictions are challenged. Think of a guy shouting through a megaphone wearing earplugs. Not much point in talking to him.

      • “Michael Mann”

        I’m not a Ron Paul guy. I’m glad he’s in the race and he’s right on a few things, but he doesn’t inspire confidence in me. Sorry, it’s the crazy uncle factor with me.

  • “Michael Mann”

    Henry, just war theory isn’t just from Aquinas. The Christian just war theory goes back at least to Augustine and has been common Christian property ever since. You picked out one piece of it, but what about the others? Our most recent military actions have not been against any state that has declared war against us. We have either toppled leaders or taken what could be construed as preemptive action against a network embedded in foreign countries.

    Preemptive warfare is highly suspect, especially apart from the presence of things like weapons of mass destruction that we know are intended for us. Preemptive strikes can easily be used as an excuse for all kinds of slaughter.

    Then add on civilian casualties. Those are real flesh and blood people in other countries. They bleed, they suffer, and they have families. Now, some civilian casualties are unavoidable even when going to war against a state that has attacked us. But how many are acceptable when we are preemptively rooting out bad guys from neighborhoods?

    I’m glad our domestic police forces don’t blow up apartment complexes to get one bad guy, and I’m glad they don’t execute men for associating with bad guys. Aren’t you?

    Then how about our military? I think highly of our military personnel. How many men and womean should die to topple unjust regimes (we could do that forever) or to take alleged preemptive action?

    Don’t any ethical rules apply to warfare? Or can the country with the best weapons just do what it wants?
     

    • “Michael Mann”

      You’ve largely stated what “is” but I am assuming there is also an “ought” involved. You know, ethics, judgment, etc. Otherwise we’re reptiles. 

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