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Fed Court Says 4th Amendment Doesn’t Cover Gun-owners?

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A U.S. circuit court of appeals gave its blessing last week to the search of a gun enthusiast’s home, as well as the seizure of her weapons, while lacking both search warrant and evidence that she had committed a crime.

The case originated three years ago when Krysta Sutterfield allegedly made “a suicidal remark” to her psychiatrist, Dr. Michelle Bentle, “during a difficult session,” according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

After Bentle phoned her fears to the Milwaukee police, officers were dispatched to Sutterfield’s home, but she wasn’t there. According to the Sentinel:

But officers returned to Sutterfield’s residence that evening, some nine hours after her comment to her doctor. They found her at home. She told them she was fine, did not want their help and asked them to leave, and called 911 when they would not.

The officers forcibly entered, handcuffed Sutterfield and took her to the county’s Mental Health Complex.

They also seized a handgun and several out-of-state concealed-carry licenses, found inside a locked CD case, and a BB gun that resembled a Glock firearm.

Sutterfield later sued.

Read more at Liberty Unyielding.


  • Harry S. Sebastian

    This is a difficult balancing act, as we complain about the 4th amendment here, we are also demanding the mental health professionals to do more to identify and head off people who may have the potential to ‘go postal’ and commit mass murder and mayhem. The quandary is what do you do when you encounter a mental health professional who is philosophically opposed to firearms who will abuse the power to have your guns taken away on a flimsy pretext.

    • 1OrdinaryCitizen

      You can’t prevent crazy people from doing crazy things any more than you can prevent accidents on the highway. You will always end up punishing the innocent and trampling on peoples rights trying to protect everyone and do “what is best for society”. We think another law, regulation, or agency will fix our problems: NSA, TSA, Gun Control, Obamacare, Homeland Security, etc. etc. The biggest problem in Mental Health is over medication. The side effects and what happens if the patient doesn’t take the medication properly are often worse than the symptoms.

      • ShaneJax

        That and people just go to dealer like pill pusher doctors and never get effective therapy when they actually need help.

    • Charles Schlaff

      Harry,
      I applaud your thought .
      What I am worried about is an administration that has already proven to pressure and threaten to close down private entities when not playing ball with them.
      Like Fox News and Gretta , like every conservative group targeted by the I.R.S , like the banks closing accounts of gun store owners etc….
      Government should do nothing but protect the country and the constitution, nothing else.
      Your point hits the nerve of every single patriot I know.

    • JH

      So you send the police with guns to check her out? She’s lucky they didn’t just shoot her ! Calling the police now days is a dicey thing to do, they could kill you, one of your kids or the family pet

      • reaper_69

        In fact police these days are more likely To kill you, a family member, or your pet! lately it seems that cops are always willing to kill your pet, without any justification, even if doing so risks hitting your kids!

    • HillbillieNurse

      I would venture that most “mental health professionals” are, themselves, mentally unbalanced.

      • Andy

        Takes a crazy to see another….

      • Brian Marks

        My own pet theory is that often times people pursue “helping” careers as much to help themselves as others. I have known many “psych” majors (later to doctorate) who had many unresolved issues, same with seminary (my college offered that as a major as well) but most convincing (to me at least) I have many many friends that perused careers in criminal justice and a dozen that joined various police forces all of whom could have spent time on the other side of the bars if luck or fortune hadn’t gone their way.
        Some people just know where their demons lie they are not necessarily bad but when (or if) they do fail they are in a position to fail badly.

      • Christopher James Birch

        i worked in a mental health organization. They only get funding for diagnosed clients…. ie pay 200$ per hour to some loser to hand out a diagnosis that always requires drugs… What kind of help are we really giving people when drugs come before food and water. quick fix, quick lining of big pharma pockets!

    • Christopher Michael Moore

      All states now require mental health officials to do some degree of “mandatory reporting” if a client is deemed likely to pursue a plan of violence to themselves or others. Since this is let known to every client during intake, the quicker clients don’t admit to these thoughts.

  • Ward Damon Hubbard

    It is with out a dough over reach by law enforcement and a failure by mental health professional, if by her own admission gravelly concerned they should have had additional follow up with her patient in including at home visit, before call law enforcement, this mental health professional was anything but professional, and the constitution suffers yet again because of lazy American work ethics.

    • Anthony Gage

      Actually, Sutterfield and the doctor had another conversation later that day and the doctor called the cops to rescind her request. The cops didn’t listen to the doctor on the follow-up.

      • D H

        firstly, by law the doctors have to report such things. especially if fire arms or other deadly weapons MAY be involved. Secondly, the doctor calling to resend the comment has no legal bearing. The police had been notified, and its their decision and duty to follow up. In fact, in many states now, a police officer can pull you over, go to your house, whatever.. up to 1 year after a reported incident and investigate and ticket you. Even if they did not personally witness the said offence themselves. Once the doctor reported it as he is required to do so by law, the ball was rolling and out of his hands. As for the woman telling the police everything was fine and to go away, I have to laugh. I can only imagine every drug dealer, child molester, murderer says the same..

        • reaper_69

          So, you think that anyone with a weapon has no Constitutional rights? The Psychiatrist who have made bad judgments that have caused lunatics to be released, and their opinions have also resulted in innocent victims losing their lives because of wrong psychiatrist pronouncements!

          • D H

            Sorry, I didnt say any of that. I guess you need work on your reading comprehension skills. I cant really answer you due to those facts.

            And I dont know about Psychiatrist making bad judgement causing the release , because that is not what this is about. But I do know Psychiatrist are bound under the law to report such things to the authorities, like this doctor did. Does it make the law right? NO, I dont think so. Does it make the doctor wrong for abiding by the law? No.

          • Brian Marks

            You seem to go out of your way to insist that: That is just the way it is. Maybe as Springsteen says “some things will never change”. It appears though that in this case as some might say : “the system” is clearly failing to serve the interests of the people. Maybe sovereign immunity has reached its end or maybe municipalities should be held to a higher standard (liability wise) or maybe arresting officers should be held personally accountable for civil rights violations. There are quite a few ways to address this type of governmental abuse of power (if in the end it is what it seems) but, just acting the contrarian is really just a cowards way of kvetching and/or trolling.

          • D H

            wow you really got that out of what I wrote Wow. not once did I say accept things the way they are. and I’ve never said we don’t need change in fact I’ve often and always said if you read my post we do need change but I don’t think changing the puppets are going to do it I think you have to change the problem which are the people who controls the puppets. I really hope that was clear enough and simple enough for others to understand

          • Brian Marks

            By not passing judgment on an action and criticizing someone’s negative analysis, people often infer that you have a countering opinion. I could care less what your actual opinion is. I believe you are just pissing on all the cheerios you can find. Enjoy your non-position.

          • D H

            so you dont care about my opinion, but yet you Speculate, and then insinuate you know more about me than I do.. LOL oh that is so precious.. Your funny.
            Sorry if I try to look at things from every angle to form my own well rounded decision. If it doesnt agree someone elses your myopic view, thats not my personal problem. I dont see things as Black and White, Either / Or, Only Right and Wrong. Sometimes its a little more complicated. BUt thats just me.

          • D H

            I was thinking, I get wonder if some dont want to step back and look at a non position comment. A non position during evaluation of a particular subject or problem is something more educated people do, and its a prevalent trait among successful business people as well. To make the most beneficial choice one must weight all sides of a problem with equal consideration. If one doesnt, then they are not getting the benefit of the ” big picture”. I am sure some dont want others to think and reason, or to hold opinions until all the facts are in and considered. But that is not what I am doing, I dont want to tell others what to do. I rather just like to give them things to think about, and hopefully they will decide using the tools available to them, and not just jump to conclusions. You never know, your original jumped to conclusion might be what you thought it was, or you might be surprised and actually come up with a completely different answer than you ever thought possible. But for those who like to jump first , I totally understand how reason can be aggravating, confusing, and even intimidating at times. Im proud to have a non position at this time. There is to much at stake, and to much to consider to just jump first..
            That is my opinion which you said you didnt ask for, but your Intent was saying different.

          • Brian Marks

            Your above post *could* describe what your earlier posts were written to do. Another characterization could be trolling. If you aren’t trolling you might need to address style and tone because you come off in an unflattering light. Further, only trolls really care enough to try to sway someone calling them a troll, honest posters usually move on.

            Usually I assume people have a neutral or positive intent when they post relatively cogent answers. I could not ascribe any honestly motive to your posts, I doubt others do as well, Along with the plethora of posting methinks thou dost’ protest too much.

            In summery: you could be honest, but I doubt it.

            Happy hunting I’ll feed you no more.

          • D H

            ok, but if your going to attempt to use big words, try spelling them at least close to correctly. It comes across more like you know what your talking about. Mistakes are ok, blatant screw ups come off as just not knowing at all but pretending too. And if you call me a troll and an honestest poster because I wont move on, what does that make you? You apparently feel the need to keep responding?

        • terryd32

          Secondly, by LAW in NAZI Germany, you must report a JEW to authorities so they can be sent to the camp for extermination. What the hell is so moral about following laws that violate God given (NOT GOVERNMENT GIVEN) rights to life, liberty and happiness?

          • D H

            Yeah, that is basically what doctors are under today. Whether they like it or not, they Must report certain things to authorities or they can lose their license to practice.

            Now I have always wondered who just decides what the right to Life, Liberty and Happiness means to everyone ? Because I am sure my interpretation of that phrase is different than my neighbors, and my neighbors is different than his neighbors and so on. That is just one of the phrases that is subject to individual interpretation. Does it mean you can do whatever you want as long as it makes you personally happy? Because if it does, Im scared. What if there are child molesters who are happy doing what they do? Im not for that at all. But If I am against it, then does that mean I infringe on their rights? Or do we put limits on those rights depending on what some people think is ok. Im sure a child molester or mass murderer things what they are doing is ok. You see what Im getting at..

            Sorry to those who are unable to cognitively think, I know, its my curse to try and analyze things from all sides of an issue. Im just not an either/ or person.

          • Brian Marks

            Cognitively think? Really?

  • wildman

    keep a loaded gun handy and when they come in start shootin- shoot to kill

    • D H

      yeah, you do that ..

      • wildman

        I will and I hope n pray you are the first one thru the door

        • D H

          so your making a threat?? THats ok, Im not a cop, I wont be there unless Im watching them shred you to little pieces as I sit in a lawn chair on the sidewalk.

          • wildman

            take it however your pussy ass needs to so you can understand- and please let it be you maggot> Does yer husband know you get on here makin such outlandish claims?? You have shown that you are a staunch pro stupid liberal troll

          • D H

            so wrong. Not a liberal. But your talk doesnt scare anyone at all.

          • wildman

            Not meant to scare ANYONE unless you are the one attempting to take my rights or my freedoms- but you being the pussy ass liberal troll that you are,you wouldn’t understand– have yer husband explain it to ya maybe he is a tad bit brighter than you- sorry nancyboy must suk to be you

          • D H

            YOur funny, maybe they will use your comments in a southpark cartoon next year.. As Wildman..

          • wildman

            or yours as douchebag liberal troll

          • D H

            Ok, I get it, you have problems reading, so I will try this one more time.

            I Am Not A Liberal…

            And who knows, maybe I will be on southpark, thats up to the production team.

          • wildman

            LIBERAL TROLL I have tried typing my comments really really slow so you might keep up and that has failed- so maybe you can get yer husband to read and explain them to you- I am sure you are a great source of embarrassment to him as well as the rest of your family

          • D H

            Oh this is so good. A great source of material here .. Thank you wild man.. You actually believe typing slower will enable someone to keep up LOL. .Please,, More. This is a hoot.. lol and your not even saying anything of any sustance. your just slinging grade school insults .. fantastic Wildman. LOL

          • wildman

            GOD DAM troll are you really that fukin stupid?? If so I would understand yer husband beatin the beejesus out of yer inherently inbred stupid ass– but when it is all over you will still be the liberal troll and nothing will change that – AND YES retard I typed this really slow too- SINCE you mean SENSE dumbass

          • D H

            Hey Wildman, do you have post anywhere else but disqus? Under a different name maybe?? I already have copied all 1134 comments you have from Disqus.. Id love some more.. Your like hitting the redneck comedy gold mine . You could be worth half your weight in gold LOL

          • wildman

            yep figure it out dumbfuk

          • D H

            Wildman, I am just perusing your comment section on DISQUS. LOL.. Love you man, Your better than a whole team of comedy writers. Man or man, its true, life is stranger than fiction. I will be sure to give you credit for the material though.. you really must get recognition for all this. No one is going to believe another human can actually do this for real though, so its going to be hard to convince educated people your for real. But thank you so very very much.. Im copying all you post from your Disqus page though, so thats a good start. I think a whole show could be based around you though lol what a hoot

            Please Keep em coming.

          • wildman

            wow perusing my comment section- just futher proves my calling you a liberal troll- only in yer case it’s a liberal troll with no life

          • D H

            hey, I dont care what you call me. Just keep it coming. PLEASE !!

            and I have a life, and your just going to make it more profitable .. thank you thank you.

          • D H

            dude Im gonna follow you. . I have too. Im telling me friends too. Your great source of entertainment..

          • wildman

            whatever- your husband is callin you to come to bed as you have to get up early,put on yer lil helmet and grab yer bucket of crayons as the short bus will be there to get ya. And the driver wants you to stop licking the windows -as it makes it hard for the others to see out

          • D H

            Oh man, Im disappointed. this is more grade school stuff. :-( Whats next fart jokes? Common, you can do better than this. Maybe tomorrow after you wake up from your drunken redneck rampage and kick the goat out of your bed. Your the best pal.. And Im a follower of the WILDMAN now.. I may be able to further my financial retirement goals from your comments alone. I cant thank you enough.. I really look forward to your comments to me and others. Your not the stereo typical wanna be tough guy redneck , you are the one all others are judged by !! And that is amazing!! Get some sleep. and hit me with your best shot tomorrow then.. I have a ton of ideas to start working on already thanks to you. Damn, the $$$ are going to be rolling in thanks to you. Love you man. My wildman lol

          • D H

            well, its only around 1 am not. And i dont have to be anywhere until 10 tomorrow, so I will start organizing your comments and filing them in order so I can find them when I need references. Keep up the good work. and wildman, lets not try to be so repetitious with the same old ” Your husband”, Or “crayons” stuff. Mix it up man. I know you can do it. Keep up the good work.. My money train WILDMAN!!! YEAH>>

          • wildman

            yer school doesn’t start until 10 huh- great that will give you time to eat all the tootsie rolls out of yer cats litter box–if I’m yer money train then please buy 1 lil thing for me– a ass full of meth and od and rid AMERICAN of another dumb fukin liberal troll

          • D H

            hey, I thought you were getting your beauty sleep you bundle full of humor, arrogance and ignorance. but I guess you could call it school , I do learn more everyday. Like Im learning a lot of new material from you.. Like I see you pretend to be a Vietnam vet.. Im guessing from your lexicon you cant be over what? 14? Ok, maybe you could be viet vet, but were never interested in education. Which is fine, not everyone is.

            See you tomorrow. Ok, I have to get back to work while everything is fresh in my mind. Dont want writers block to hit. Then again, I doubt it will with all the material youve given me..

          • D H

            Hey Wildman. Your gonna love this. I emailed a sample of your work to a friend, and she wants to use some of your stuff in her stand up comedy routines when her tour kicks off next month in New York !! Your amazing. And guess what, she is a Liberal for real. So you helping Liberals advance in their careers too! I guess your a liberal dream come true. You should be proud of yourself. I am proud of you my man.. My wildman.

            Oh, I have a question. Do you say things like ” Merika” and “SumBitch” too ?? I mean, its ok if you dont, It can be added in the Character creation , but it would be great if you actually talked like this in real life. You post seem like you would..

            Oh, I think my friend is going to follow your post too.

            Thank god I found you. Your like my Muse.. Wildman, the Muse..

          • wildman

            it’s yer bullshit spread it however you want- you are a liberal troll so no one beleives a fukin thing you say so enjoy

          • D H

            Hey WIldman, My wonderful Eunuch Muse. You will be proud to know as of today we all voted to rename the conference room , the Short Bus.. !! Your a hit dude !!

            So here is the brain storm so far. Your a short , fat stinky little wanna be with a huge old beat up 4×4 you call Broke Back, with a Merikan flag on the tailgate, and a Confederate flag in the back window. , oh, and you have to have a huge pair of truck nuts hanging off the back. you live in a trailer in the woods, the brand name of the trailer has to be Gymaeceum or course. Your constantly going around yelling obscenities at everyone you meet and even though your a closet food stamps and welfare, recipient, you vocally against them.

            Im telling you, you have inspired a great moment in comedic history.

            My Muse.. I would imagine you may have many more followers soon. You could be an internet sensation.. WIldman.. The Agro Eunuch .

          • wildman

            DAM NANCYBOY all these posts coming from yer free ovomit phone,while you are slithering up from yer basement room in yo crackhead street corner trick turning mommas section ghetto dump,headed down to pick up yer welfare check then your filthy liberal ass will sneak around the corner to trade yer foodstamps for crack which you happily share with yer parents as they are really bother and sista and that may help explain the profound ignorance you show in yer posts….A liberal troll you are thru n thru-grabbin them freebies while you can…

          • D H

            well you havent slung the N word at me yet? I am sure that too will come. What is an Ovomit phone? Sorry, Im not up on all the radical wing lingo yet.

            But as expected, you have come through again like a true swamp critter. And while not as good as some of your previous post, it has a few good ones in there I can use.

          • D H

            You just have to laugh at the irony here. ” happily share with yer parents as they are really bother and sista and that may help explain the profound ignorance you show in yer posts…”

            Im suppose to be of profound ignorance, yet you use “yer” and “sista” and have a vocabulary of maybe a 4th grade level.

            Yes, for sure a victim of Dunning Kruger Syndrome..

            gotta love you Wildman. you are a true insight into what happens when a fetus is deprived oxygen for too long while in the womb. I assume your mom was meth, alcohol and crack? It appears to have mixed in your blood stream as well.

          • D H

            However, we have decided that we will have to tame you down a bit. We just are not low enough to use some of your material that shows who you really are.. SOrry..

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            wildman • 2 hours ago

            nigga nigga nigga- should have been taken outside and had her filthy black ass beat

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          • wildman

            a fukin scumbagt liberal thru n thru–afraid to face the truth

          • D H

            Im the scumbag?? Oh by the way, I dont think there is a T on scumbag. I only say this since you felt the need to criticize my spelling previously.

            But your the one who is the racist .. what does that make you? superior to me? You really think so? This is why your a great source of material. As I previously said, your text book Dunning Kruger, which I imagine you have no clue what that is, even if you did look it up and had someone explain it to you, you would still not have a clue.. and, Im quite fine with you calling me a Liberal. Coming from the likes of you being called a Liberal is like getting the medal of Valor

          • D H

            LOL you scared now. You made you Disqus account private. LMAO..

            wah wah wah.. oh well, I copied it all the other night. I have enough material to work off of. But its a clear sign you scared .. Or you wouldnt have done that.

          • wildman

            sorry cumdumpster- never done a fukin thing to my account- and be afraid of a pos liberal troll like you ,keep dreaming you fukin moron.

          • D H

            LOL just heard a great idea. Make you the poster child for Dunning-Kruger Syndrome .. Perfect !!

          • wildman

            you seem to be the self appointed expert on this as I’m guessing you are ate up with it-what a loser

          • D H

            Sorry, Im not “at up with it” Its something I get the impression your not familiar with , called Education. See, when you have an education it opens up a whole world that people like you still think is “Mystical” or ” Supernatural” you may even call it “Magic”

          • wildman

            have someone read these posts to you , GOD DAM you 1 ignorant motherfucker– ATE UP WITH IT– it’s ENGLISH

          • D H

            Well, I guess you can call it English is you wish. Your English is closer related to 3rd grade hooked on Phonics, but I’ll let that slide. lol Besides, I’ve discovered that your range of conversation is very limited to a small array of words, and even smaller array of topics. Which was really funny for a while, but its really starting to wear and become boring. I can have a more intelligent conversation with my dog actually, so I guess I will leave you to pound your chest and pretend your something your not. Unless you really have anything above a 3rd grade school yard level comment to make, I probably wont be returning here. But I will still occasionally look in on you Wildman. I mean, you did show some promise in the beginning. , even with your being so frightened you privatized your disqus comments from public view [ probably a smart move on your behalf with you hate filled racist comments and open desire to outright kill anyone who doesn't completely agree with you though]
            I had real hopes that you were one of the lower forms of the worst in the group of race hating troglodyte out there, but alas, maybe its due to a hiccup in you A-C-T-G order, or maybe it happened later in life. Maybe when your father was molesting you in the wood shed and somehow damaged your frontal lobe with your forehead pounding on the window casement?

            Whatever it is, I really am starting to feel bad for egging you on. sure, its been a blast seeing just who ignorant you are and how much you love trying to pretend your not, but you obviously have both cognitive as well as temporal and frontal lobe damage that it would really be not nice to push you on anymore.

            So, Alas poor Eunuch, I knew you well. But I must bid you adieu as your just not as much fun to torment anymore, and have turned out to be just another bottom dweller who thinks you are more than you are. Nothing unusual, nothing new. I wish you well. Parting is sweet sorrow..

          • D H

            I do actually hope that you might have enriched your life and learned a little with you being forced to find someone to read and explain what I wrote. Even if you only retained a tiny bit of the actual information transferred here it will be wonderful and could be helpful in your future.
            However, I fear you wont, and will only resort to what you know best, and that is the bottom dwelling 3rd grade comments and trailer trash language.
            Well, one can only hope .. No one can make you learn. That is something you have to do yourself.

          • D H

            Wildman, my lovely eunuch Muse. Your now officially a Verb!! And will go down in the Anals of history..
            Proper Usage of- Wildman;

            ” I have to take a Wildman”

            ” I just took a big Wildman, and man was it a stinker”

            ” Oh my god! Someone ripped their sphincter apart dropping that Wildman!”

            hey what can I say. Some of us have to work on the Holidays.. and sometimes it becomes really creative ..

          • wildman

            wow am I impressed not- all this coming from a low rent liberal troll- somethings will never change

          • D H

            I figured it would take you a while to respond, having to find someone to read you what the words meant from a dictionary and all. But this long? come one wildman, I would have thought you had someone closer who could read..
            Oh well, maybe we can send you a tutor and help you out. As long as you dont see it as a hand out and refuse the help that is..

            I think I shall get a T shirt ” I am Wildmans Low Rent Liberal Troll” Then I can walk around downtown at Parkway and Taylor showing it off to all my friends. Thanks for the nick name .. I like it.

          • wildman

            Parkway and Taylor ?? must be where all you fags hang out

          • D H

            Look, I know your really simple minded, and have the IQ of a retarded gopher, but there is this thing called Google. Its really amazing what you can find out if you just use it.

          • D H

            So, you in for another night of watching broke back mountain , a couple cases of beer , your trusty meth pipe in one hand and tossing off onto the flea infested carpet of your trailer home with the other hand? [ maybe you should give the goats rectal orifice a break tonight. She might be getting a little sore ] Not much else an old Cuckold would do. Not like you would read or anything. If you could read that is. You would likely think the Annals of Tacitus was about gay porn, and would sticky up all the pages looking for pictures to masturbate too lol

          • D H

            If you can get someone to come over to read to you wildman, you might enjoy this. I know, its a scientific study, and I imagine you only adhere to the words in the bible you know the meaning of, or others tell you about and you agree with, while ignoring the rest of it. But sometimes science is right.. like in this case lol http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand

          • D H

            Im just guessing here, but I assume that being a Eunuch , you have decided to stick out like a proverbial micro phallus , trying to make others believe your a despot berserker. Problem is, you use of 4 letter words, lack of understanding of the English language, your radically racist comments and just out right display of total ignorance in many instances really blows your whole cover. You come off more as a text book example for Dunning Kruger. Which makes you all the more fun and as plethora of material to source from.. Keep up the good work . there are not as many people as you would think willingly making total asses of themselves theses the way you do. Its fun..

            Wildman; Illiterate, Uneducated, Enuch, Racist, and Counterfeit Berserker.

          • D H

            Is it that time of the month again wildman? Feeling kind of down? lonely? depressed? Cramps and bleeding ? Sorry. Can I send you some Midol?

          • wildman

            run yer mouth all you want but you’ll never change the fact that whens it’s all over, you will for ever remain a scumbag- liberal troll-

          • D H

            and you will never change from a excrement encrusted bearded racist misogynistic mental patient. But that is what America is suppose to be about. Diversity and accepting it. I accept you with open arms. Your the funniest redneck Ive met in years..

          • wildman

            accept me with open arms-probably much like you accept all the nieghborhood lil boys, thought your treatment as a pedophile prohibited you from using computers or trolling social media

          • D H

            I fear you talking about pedophiles and trying to assign it to others you know nothing about may be due to you regressing traumatic memories of your own father with you during your childhood.

          • D H

            Ah your so precious Wildman. And you actually found a way to privatize your account. That must be why you were not around for so long. I hope that didnt task your brain trying to figure out what to click on LOL

            I swear, you really must be a throw back knuckle dragger of the 10th degree. lol.. Your way to much fun. I hope you never leave. You truly are my most favorite redneck eunuch retard, and a great muse for comedy material.

            And even though you privatized your account, its only slightly more difficult to track you, with having to perform only 2 keyboard commands to do so. I can handle that. Besides, I cant let you go! Your the Queen of Neanderthal hermaphrodites! You the anal wart of Phil Robertson on Sarah Palin’s labia majora! You are a prize, the epitome of tea bagger, KKK, Neo Nazi and rednecks all rolled into one fat assed hate mongering package. Im really surprised your not with Cliven Bundy or up with the 12 people of Operation American Spring in DC. You are any comedy writers dream come true.. Hell, you anyone who likes a good belly roaring laughs dream as well.

            Wildman, running scared, but cant run fast or far enough..Thank goodness. Your a wealth of material .

          • wildman

            your husband must fill this bill? or are you the bitch is yer relationship??

          • D H

            you really are simple minded . Im starting to feel bad making fun of you. I hope Im not violating any ADA rules or guidelines.

          • wildman

            run yer mouth all you want but you’ll never change the fact that whens it’s all over, you will for ever remain a scumbag- liberal troll-trying so hard to impress with yer bullshit- sorry loser you are becoming BORING, very fukin boring

  • Marvin Marcelo

    malpractice suit against the doctor is in order. she misdiagnosed and caused financial damage. the police did nothing wrong. they were given false information and acted upon it.

    • Stan

      Sorry dude, the police had 9 hours to get a warrant and chose not to. The court screwed up by saying there is no time limit on exigent circumstances, when the exigent circumstance was that she posed an immediate threat. 9 hours of lapsed time, coupled with the 2nd call from the doctor and then finding her, healthy and ok should have eliminated the exigent circumstance.

    • reaper_69

      the doctor tried to stop the cops but the police refused to rescind their raid!

      • D H

        the doctor has no legal right to resend it. Once its been made, the police take it over. The doctor is not a legal authority.. I think the big problem here is the stupid law that makes doctors report such comments made by patients. It should have never been made a law to force doctors to do so. The doctor could go to jail and lose his license to practice if they didnt, and something had happened. The doctors hands are tied here.

  • Grits.N.Jowls

    A tough one for me; I always err on the side of the Constitution but when a potential suicidal nut case threatens to off herself and maybe others publicly then there may be a problem. The doctor has legal cover and was the catalyst here, so there’s some legal and ethical questions to be answered too. Let me add that when she brought in a 2nd party to hear her intentions who is professionally inclined to report such things then she abrogated her own privacy concerns.

    • krell51

      The government doesn’t own her! Even if she did want to kill herself, that’s her business, her life, her body.

  • Barry Johnson

    The morale to the story is never talk to a shrink. Under BO care they are going to use it to take your guns and your liberty.

    • D H

      thats it. the shrink is bound by law to report self harm , suicide, or possible harm to others if the patient talks of such and the doctor feels its a real possibility. Obviously the doctor did think it was at the time because the doctor called. Due to this stupid law requiring them to report such incidents, you are no longer in a safe environment to talk about things that might be bothering you, or thoughts you might have had. Even if you joke about it the doctor still may have to report it. This is the law.

      Plus, remember, anything you say is recorded on paper or tape, and can , and I promise you will be used against you in court at anytime in your life.
      I made a joke to my doctor after I slipped on ice and broke my ankle. I joked maybe someone slipped a little Irish love into my cup of coffee that day. 8 years later after being in a work accident, that one line out of everything was used toward me, as they tried to make me appear to be an alcoholic. and I dont drink.. Dont say any more to your doctor than you have too. YOu have no idea who will get those records .

      • rickroland

        So called “mental health” professionals like psychiatrists, also swear an oath to do no harm, and yet they shock, drug, disfigure and brutalize people in the name of “helping” them — they are butchers and tyrants used by the government to get rid of real or imagined would be political opposition.

        • D H

          Hippocratic Oath I assume you are speaking of means nothing. It was originally written in the 12th century, and while a few parts have changed, like they dont have to swear to Apollo anymore, its still basically the same as it was then. Also Its not a law and there are no consequences for breaking an oath. If breaking an oath were against the law then I imagine millions doctors, not to mention all the boy scouts and girl scouts are in big trouble. They all took oaths, they all break them at some time.

          Now as to what you claim that ALL in the medical profession are under the control of the Government and used to remove political opposition. I have yet to see any real proof of that. Many have speculated , like you do here, but actually substantial proof based on facts.. Not yet. But when I see it I will believe it. Until now, I feel that most doctors, including those who are close friends of mine, are just as ticked off and upset with gov regulations and laws that wont allow them to just do their jobs in ways that best help the patients. The physicians I know do not like being forced to snitch on the same people they are honestly trying to help.

          • Susan Nichelson

            I’ve always called it the “hippocritic” oath! Makes more sense to me!!

        • D H

          Oh, and I have always wondered with all these “oaths” even when you swear to tell the whole truth in court. Now what if you dont believe in God, and your swearing to God, a god you dont believe in. Does that mean your already lying? Does it mean that you are ok to lie because if you dont believe God exist then swearing to God means nothing to you.. Just something Ive wondered about..

      • Andy

        Big brother is watching and listening to us more and more everyday…ANYTHING you say or do, can and WILL be used against you sooner or later!! Shame our great country has gotten to this sad point…more of our rights are slipping away fast, once gone, will never get it back!!!! NO GUN CONTROL!!!

        • D H

          Im in no way for total gun control. I own many guns, grew up with them, shoot all the time and love it. Especially long range, skeet and trap and pistol. Im not a hunter though, I just enjoy the challenge of it. And not once did I ever say here anything about taking away gun owner rights.

          I learned the hard way your correct. Anything can and will be used against you.. and it will. Even things you never said, a great example is just trying to participate in a discussion on the internet. where people wont actually read your post, but just react and then rant to a key word or phrase that ticked them off for whatever reason.

          Im all for stopping the tide of paid politicians acting as the puppets for the wealthiest in our country, and I am a firm believer that change will only come if you remove the cancer, not the symptoms. IE:remove the ability for anyone to use their wealth to control politicians. Money should not equal Votes or Free Speech. And a corporation should in no way have any rights of an individual person.

          Also, remove all laws that require doctors or health care givers of any kind from having to report anything the patient might say that could be construed as causing self harm or harm to others. People often vent to doctors, dont force the doctors to report it .

  • David Dena Wiseman

    this was reportedly 9 hrs later. A suicide risk assessment should have been done immediately or shortly after her making these statements to her Psychiatrist(a mental health professional) whom is responsible for doing the assesment. Why did the psychiatrist phone her fears to law enforcement without doing a standard assessment and if she had done a standard assessment then did it only neccessitate a welfare check. Sounds like an overreach and a Psychiatrist not doing their job. She should take it to a higher court and get a new psychiatrist. BTW I am a Mental health practitioner

    • D H

      yes, this is true, but they also work on a type of Triage. They send to the calls that are of the utmost importance. Maybe they were overloaded that day. We dont know do we?

      • David Dena Wiseman

        we also may not have all of the information. If this was a a triage call she said she was okay so what further occurred that we don’t know.

        • D H

          I think I understand what your saying, but I think you misunderstood what I said. Maybe I said it wrong. I meant police departments work much like Hospital Triage units do. The police department decides which call gets serviced first. Basically, the police department decides what call the police respond to first. If there was 2 murders, a bank robbery and 2 deadly accidents they would likely send the police to those before a possible suicide call. Doesnt matter if the doctor or the suicide victim said they were ok, the police will still decide if they should send officers. I hope that clears things up about what I was getting at.

          • David Dena Wiseman

            Right like a triage unit, I get that. I think the point might be is that was there a risk assessment, and if so did that risk assessment signify a duty by the doctor to notify police necessitating a welfare check. A welfare check being done a legitimate response to would be I am fine especially if 9 hours had passed. I don’t believe we have been supplied with enough information.

          • David Dena Wiseman

            a Doctor does not always have a duty to inform law enforcement unless they believe a person will harm themselves based on a risk assessment and that is generally allowed to expire after a certain amount of time and usually has a level assinged to it and the Doctor is kept appraised on any welfare check being done, so communication goes back and forth.

          • David Dena Wiseman
          • D H

            Cool, just now read it. and I am so glad the judges ask for a change in the laws though;

            ” In a short concurrence, Judge Daniel Manion said he hoped state legislatures will “provide for a judicially issued civil warrant process that would authorize law enforcement to enter someone’s home when there is probable cause to believe that she poses a risk to herself or others because of mental illness.”

            But the last paragraph really sums it up;

            “To be clear then, what Sutterfield is arguing for is the creation of a particular type of warrant that does not currently exist.”

            as for the police showing up 9 hours later, this article says they showed up after the call was placed, and Sutterfield was not around. They came back later..

            as for Sutterfield telling them she was ok , and how some here who posted said that they should have left then, I myself would side with the law enforcement ;

            “How were the officers to know that Sutterfield was competent to assess the state of her own mental health or that, regardless of what she herself said, there was no longer any risk that she might harm herself?” the court wrote.

            And since the police followed the laws of their state, as well as federal laws, I dont think they did anything wrong in this case..

            Now, does that mean I personally think it was right, Im still on the fence.. Yes to those who call me’ Non Positioned’ I still am.

            Because what if she turned out to be Mental , such as the kid in California the other day., Mentally ill enough to want to take many others out as well? This is really complicated and I just cant see it as a black and white, yes or no, right or wrong case. There are a lot of What ifs.. and I would guess its better to check it all out first, than just to walk away and hope nothing happens. If she doesn’t have a problem, they should give all the guns back. even the BB gun.

          • David Dena Wiseman

            I think she should take it to a higher court. Wisconsin has a mobile crisis response team for mental health and it was 9hrs later if she were to take it as high as the SCOUTUS they ultimately could decide that Wisconsin would ultimately have to change the way they do things or if they were targeting this woman.

          • D H

            I would second that. I had no idea Wisconsin had a mobile crisis response team for mental health. That would make more sense in a case like this, although, are hey trained and equipped to deal with situation that may use deadly weapons?

          • David Dena Wiseman

            I think a member of Law enforcement could be included in the team

          • D H

            that would make sense. Then if things escalated they could call for back up. But you always have the problems like what just happened in California. The police went to the kids house, talked to him and he ” appeared ok” to them. Then he went on a shooting spree. I know you cant prevent everything, and Im not for taking all guns way, but there has to be a better way. I think a mental response unit with trained officers on-board would be a great start though. But how many would scream about “their tax money” being spent on something like this. Its a health related issue.

          • David Dena Wiseman

            So then what is the difference if the police thought this kid was okay and he clearly was not and she said she was okay and they thought she was not. I have not done any investigation into the California thing but was there mental health services checking on the young man with the police?

  • krell51

    In the Soviet Union disagreeing with the government was considered mental illness, and they locked a lot of people up for it, now the government with the help of the mental health “professionals” are trying the same thing here. It is totalitarianism 101, declare anyone that disagrees with you crazy and soon no one will out of fear.

    • disqus_v3SHzvCspj

      The practice of Psychology therapy will crash as no one will undergo loss of their rights willingly. Nuts will walk the streets because they know their therapists have a direct line to the cops.

    • rickroland

      It’s happened in the U.S. as well, many many times. Check the history of Ezra Pound before during and after WW II. The so-called “mental illness” is just a way to justify the jailing of real or imagined would be political opposition — and that’s all psychiatry is and how government uses it (since its inception).

  • Johnnyg
  • Kitten

    I no longer recognize my country. Stories like these are meant to intimidate. I’m not afraid of them.

    • Andy

      Don’t be afraid, just causious..watch what, and who you say thing to..I know my mouth is going to get me in trouble…I speak my mind and say what I think, to hell with politicial correctness too..!!

  • William Cas

    The more you violate others rights the worse others will violate yours!!!!……. We are living in a wanna be politically correct perfect country or wonderland in an imperfect and incorrect world full politically incorrect people, cultures and traditions. Some Utopia, we are slaved to all politicians wills. Soon we will short of jails and courts to store more people in cages to correct them!!!!

  • Anadara

    Suicidal? Then, by all means, Raid her home, threaten to shoot her and toss her hapless butt in jail so that she can lament the betrayal of her Doctor.

  • John Carl Toth

    sue the doctor…HIPA violation by disclosing what she told her doc….not cool

    • D H

      sorry, not a HIPA violation. Laws require doctors to report such things.. look it up..

      • John Carl Toth

        yes you are correct sorry…. does not apply to national security and law enforcement…I love how the government shoves HIPPA down our throats yet excepts the privacy from being private from them.

        • D H

          So right Mr Toth, more false securities. sucks too. I guess they feel most people wont bother to learn what the laws actually are, and just react to what they are told in sound bites.

          And they are right for the most part. Most people React. They dont actually Research, Read, Process, Analyze and then React. In fact, as Ive noticed in my post, many people dont even read whats written, they just scan for key words, then react. Context doesnt matter. And since many people are like this, and opposed to considering the possibility they may have missed something or have incorrectly assumed something, they will fight with vile and vingence their stance on a subject. I myself am not opposed to being wrong, and openly accept and welcome any Factual , Intelligent discussion on it. I figure we all make mistakes, its the real person who is willing to acknowledge and learn from it though.

          • John Carl Toth

            spoken (written) with true wisdom DH

  • frankhpns

    The fourth amendment trumps all other pre conceived threats. Everyone needs to protect themselves in whatever fashion they believe is applicable. These officers are nothing more or nothing less then the Gestapo. The doctor should have had her temporally committed for observation, if he felt she was a threat. Once the State is involved, all bet’s are off. Most of these cop’s are bored and just looking for a way to assert their authority.

  • Brandon Magoon

    “Before a revolution can take place, the population must lose faith in both the police and the courts.” Robert Heinlein

    • reaper_69

      Well. thanks to the Obama dictator, we are almost at that point!

  • Sproing

    What was there to prevent the law enforcement units from getting a judge to sign a search warrant based on the psychiatrists statement?
    And is a phone call from someone who identifies themselves as a health professional automatically make such a call and report true on the basis of what exactly, and doesn’t a patient have protection under Dr. patient confidentiality from comments he or she may have made while in a private session while under that Drs. care? Are we now going to have to be concerned about more the a nosey neighbors complaints and consider everyone might actually start reporting our actions to some authority at the drop of a hat as happened in too many totalitarian societies in 20th century Europe?

  • icy69hot

    Sue the doctor sue the police and shoot the judge for breaking the law and agreeing with it.

  • rickroland

    This must be challenged all the way to the Supreme’s, pronto like! This must not stand.

  • David Tierney

    So much for doctor patient privilege. I would sue the shrink and everyone else involved

  • Mike Reveile

    Committed no crime. Welcome to 1984. The THOUGHT POLICE have determined that you may be a danger to yourself and others.

  • Juicey Bananas

    She is absolutely fucked and will not ever get her weapons back either as the cops have already split them up for themselves.

  • RVNMike

    Has the passing 3 years seen the return of her property? Is the threat of her taking her own life passed? If she is still alive I would guess it is time to give her gun back.
    Maybe the doctor over reacted. Maybe the woman was being overly dramatic when she was ranting to the doctor. I seems as though the police did over react.
    On the other hand. If the doctor didn’t do anything, and the police had not acted, she may have carried thru with her rant. I guess we will never know.
    The fact is, if she wanted to kill herself she has many ways to do it. Some include harming other people. If she hasn’t done it yet, she won’t. Time to give her property back.